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10 Jun 2017 14:01

Post how you feel about whatever politic issues are happening in your country, however what is posted in here will STAY in here. We will not judge people about their politics outside of this topic.

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10 Jun 2017 14:03

I am a liberal.
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10 Jun 2017 14:10

As TvTropes puts it, Italian politics is "an exercise in hilarity".

Still much better than US rn tho
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10 Jun 2017 14:14

Politics in the US consists of Angry White guys (republicans) Fighting slightly younger Angry White guys (democrats). 
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10 Jun 2017 14:25

I am a liberal
But what does this mean? Do you support lax immigration laws? Strong economic regulation? Universal basic income? Carbon tax? Affirmative action? Being "liberal" can mean a wide range of things. It's better to talk about specific positions and beliefs than to wave around vague labels.
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10 Jun 2017 14:38

I honestly hate the things the US is doing, it started two dang wars over oil. 
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10 Jun 2017 14:46

I do not at all support the Trump administration, Donald Trump is a joke who is completely unqualified to be president. He has absolutely no clue what he is doing. He doesn't care about the people otherwise he wouldn't be wasting another 53 billion dollars on the military budget or leaving the Paris Climate Agreement so his corporate buddies can ruin the planet all they want.
 
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10 Jun 2017 14:52

The Paris climate agreement isn't even that much money.
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10 Jun 2017 14:57

I can't help but think he's trying to bring back the world to the 1800s
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10 Jun 2017 15:32

Yeah except in the 1800s the world wasn't screwed horribly by climate change.
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10 Jun 2017 15:35

I dont think such a thread is a good idea! it wasnt in the old forum with the religion thread neither
also The Potato, please dont spam in this forum.
 
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10 Jun 2017 15:41

I had doubts about this thread, Which is why I made it a rule not to discuss anything going on in this thread outside of this thread nor to judge anybody about their politics outside this thread.
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10 Jun 2017 18:37

f*cked
Please read the forum rules.
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By the way you still haven't written about your views, just vague use of terms and the ever-popular USA bashing (I'm not saying it doesn't deserve it, I'm just saying it doesn't really promote substantive discussion).
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10 Jun 2017 19:44

I had an idea for a system, I don't know exactly were it fits in, or if it already exists, and It is actually somewhat simple.

I will describe it as detailed as i can.

Here is sort of the process to achieve this system.
Congress passes a law preventing companies from firing employees on the basis that they are part of an industrial union.
Congress then passes a secret bill that creates an industrial union secretly run by the government.
With this new industrial union formed workers from all markets join it. (The workers control the government, the government controls the companies through the workers, Essentially socialism)

The industrial union controls everything pertaining to the economy, it prevents companies from paying low wages by threatening to move all of its workers to other companies and dismantling it.
Companies that benefit society more then others will have more workers given to it and will be given more gov't funds.
Companies that don't benefit society as much will lose workers and be given less gov't funds. (This is to keep competition and development of technology.)
Workers can work there way up like in a capitalistic society but as they get higher up they lose political power.
The Industrial Union would also be funded with taxes (Of course).

In this society a Billionaire would be allowed to keep his wealth but not be able vote or run for office.
A middle class person would not be allowed to run for office but would be allowed to vote. (Or maybe the other way around)
A working class person would be allowed to vote and run for office.
(I'm calling this "Class Compromise")

This is currently all I have. I haven't defined what would happen for small businesses yet.

If anyone has an idea on how I could  
improve this system please tell me.


I haven't come up with anything to prevent billionaires from paying its workforce large sums of money to revolt so the billionaire can get political power back.

If anyone has an idea what to name it that would be nice to.
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11 Jun 2017 04:08

idk, it seems a bit radical imo. my thoughts are that anyone should be allowed to vote and become a politician, BUT in the latter case newcomers should first try less powerful positions, like mayor, and if they show to be competent they're allowed to climb the ladder, which they would now do with actual experiece about how to run a territory.

Hopefully this way would allow to weed out people like hysterical tychoons who only want to do the interest of their business pretty quick before they grab the highest chair out of literally nowhere.
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