N0B0DY wrote:

Macronicus wrote:

Will 990 be free?

No. You will have to pay 990 SECs (Space Engine Credits)

No microtractions allowed!

N0B0DY wrote:

Source of the post No. You will have to pay 990 SECs (Space Engine Credits)

Lol

I have to agree with a few points a previous poster raised about this project and throw in my 50 pence.

Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky enough to be able to run and test the program while the rest of us dream and wait for the next beta. I doubt it is like that, but it certainly feels like so and why have us - let say 'regular' - users been left out of the beta testing this time? Its a beta not a full complete simulation - why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?

But that is not what annoys me mostly - 2 other things annoy me:

Firstly the utter lack of transparency regarding the projects progress.

This ridiculous 'Be ready when its ready' attitude is so juvenile and I have to fully agree with the previous poster it is a poor way to run a business - That's what SE needs to be to succeed. If the guys at Overview (cant remember the company name now?) but if they rang Vladimir and said 'When can we expect an update on the overview project?' and Vlad replied 'It will be ready when its ready!' the phone would have went dead and the $10000 dollars would have been down the drain! But that did not happen, and there would have been time frames and deadlines to work to - So again - why are we regular users given the childish 'ready when its ready' treatment??

I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!? SE is losing donations because of this attitude. There does not have to be a definite release, its Vlad's simulation he can do what he wants - but just say 'I hope for a release or update by October' and if October comes and Vlad says 'we need another 6 months - so I'm hoping for release in April' that's fine. Sure people will moan but IT KEEPS US INFORMED! You OWE that at least to all those who have donated their hard earned cash to your project.

Have I donated? I hear you ask - NO! Reason:

THE FORUMS!!

These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'

Firstly harbinger! lol oh dear harbingerofdawn!? mate just quit the forums guy seriously - you are utterly useless as forum moderator just stick to what your good at in regards to SE and that's making your YouTube streams, just stick to that - because no offense but your just the typical American - they harp on about freedom of speech yet they take everyone else freedoms of speech away.

Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.

Vladimir should assign a handful of moderators that have three basic moderating 'traits':

1. Polite - ALWAYS BE POLITE!! even after being asked the same questions over and over and over and over again! You can just template you're replies you know - i.e a 'Check the F&Q' or 'Lookup the troubleshooting list' templates with all the information and links. This takes 3 seconds to paste into a reply. POLITENESS = MORE DONATIONS. End of.

2. Helpful - Be helpful! Point posters to the F&Q's or relevant pages on the website - yes we are all lazy but also we are not all web designers and we have lives outside 'forums'! We don't always see what may be obvious to you moderators. (It took me a week to find the 'BLOG' everyone was on about.. it was under NEWS!) Point people to the donations like a 'Don't forget to donate!' template etc. ASSISTANCE = MORE DONATIONS.

3. RAISE MORE DONATIONS!. Firstly do the two obvious points above but instead of moaning and throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users, instead 'Engage' with them on their level. Agree with everything they say even if you disagree. It will help raise more donations. Think 'Customer Is Always Right' - Just think along those lines and the donations will roll in.

With them three points and completely NEW moderators (i.e people who can actually moderate) you will turn this forum into a nice, comfortable, pleasant place to be and express any concerns without being barked at like an SS commandant!

My personal finishing words are to Vlad: Just grow up a bit in terms of business guy!. Because when money is involved (Particularly in regards to donations) you need to have a positive and kind attitude - this sadly is very much lacking. There's being 'to the point' and there's being 'an a*sshole'! There is a difference. Be to the point - but be polite!

Remember:
Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting =  More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
Effective Moderators = More donations.

Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...

At the end of the day its money you need to take space engine to the next level and overview is just the beginning! If you want Space Engine to succeed as a game or simulation or whatever you will need to start getting your business head on and start thinking in what ways can i raise more funds and trust me Vlad the 'Ready when its ready' attitude will net you ZERO. So taking SE to that next level even if you have to effectively 'Sack' your entire moderating team.

With that all said - I do wish you good luck with the project.

Allen.R

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky enough to be able to run and test the program while the rest of us dream and wait for the next beta. I doubt it is like that, but it certainly feels like so and why have us - let say 'regular' - users been left out of the beta testing this time? Its a beta not a full complete simulation - why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?

At least a few dozen people give me the impression they deserve beta and think there aren't that many testers.

Here is a list Vladimir and myself have kept, we log keys and users who have used them and have links to their profiles.  You might notice a lot of shared user names with the beta testers here on the forum. (This is just for Steam)


We have more than enough testers and while the screenshots and video may look nice, 0.9.9.0 is not in a state to be released to a wider audience, there is a lot more work to do.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post This ridiculous 'Be ready when its ready' attitude is so juvenile and I have to fully agree with the previous poster it is a poor way to run a business

When you have as bad of crash issues and performance issues, it is the appropriate attitude.  I have had 0.9.9.0 crash my PC and lag my system badly, I doubt you or most people who would be using the software have a much better PC.  The more recent builds are more stable and its getting closer to a release but it is definitely not ready for the larger public.

And lets not forget, SE is not a business at this point in time.  You are donating, you are not buying a product, even if donations guaranteed getting into the beta, you made that choice to donate.  I get the frustration, but this isn't kickstarter or patreon.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!? SE is losing donations because of this attitude.

I agree somewhat with keeping people informed, the news on the front page is part of an effort to do this.  On the other hand, donations tend to be fairly stable, so the only money being "lost" would be people who feel like by donating it entitles them to something, which as a person who has donated and invested a lot of time and energy into SE, it doesn't entitle you to much of anything.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post You OWE that at least to all those who have donated their hard earned cash to your project.

Updates yes I would agree there aren't enough, but a large majority of the current testers are donators and community members who have been around for quite some time.  Anyone who has donated sufficiently large sums of money has received beta access and those who are given or buy a commercial license are also given access to the beta.  So to some extent there is an effort to be involved with the community but it could be improved.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'

Show me some examples where users were unfairly punished or treated poorly, send them in a private message to me.  I consider these forums to be one of the more relaxed settings and I have been on a lot of forums over the years.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.

They may not be the best mods, and I think in regards to experience at such things I would be at the top of the list having run many communities in the past, but they were added because we have a bit of a bot problem and I can't always be active.  I haven't had any issues reported on any of them and they seem to do a good job cleaning up the forum when bots spam.  

If you would like to point out some of their problem posts, I would be open to reviewing their moderation, but I request that you private message me such concerns.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post You can just template you're replies you know - i.e a 'Check the F&Q' or 'Lookup the troubleshooting list' templates with all the information and links.

I don't know about the rest of the moderators but when I have mentioned such things to people I have always tried to put in the effort to link directly to those sections.  I am not as active in the forum as much as I used to be as I have many other things going on, including Discord, reddit, and Steam so I need help on the forum.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Firstly do the two obvious points above but instead of moaning and throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users, instead 'Engage' with them on their level. Agree with everything they say even if you disagree. It will help raise more donations. Think 'Customer Is Always Right' - Just think along those lines and the donations will roll in.

In regards to Vladimir, if he seems a bit blunt thats more of a cultural and language barrier.  He is most certainly not trying to come off as a jerk.  Vladimir is probably one of the nicest individuals here.  If you are referring to others on the team, feel free to private message me examples and if its actually that big of an issue I will discuss it with those people.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting =  More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
Effective Moderators = More donations.

Sadly this is not the case.  It sounds reasonable and yes some people have decided the community is not the place for them and they don't want to support it and that is fine.  Having run fundraisers before and managed servers that relied on donations, if you are a flat out harsh jerk you still get people donating who support that serious approach, just as you get donators for being as nice as possible.  Unless the forum sways to one extreme or the other, it won't really affect donations sadly, or not sadly depending on your perspective.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...

I disagree.  Harb's streams and effort in the community tends to bring in more people than it causes to leave and donations tend to increase around his streams a bit.  He may be a bit blunt on the forum and in Discord, but that hasn't really been an issue and the community in the last year alone has grown quite quite a bit through his and my own effort.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post So taking SE to that next level even if you have to effectively 'Sack' your entire moderating team.

All I can say to this, is that would be a very unwise move for a multitude of reasons.  Trimming down some of the newer mods might be something worth looking into and if you are serious about your suggestions please do private message me your issues, linking to posts.  

Show me the same respect you want to be shown and I will do my part on helping to resolve these issues.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'

I am surprised and sorry that you feel that way.  I have been with these forums for many years and feel that it's been one of the most respectful communities I have ever encountered online.  I rarely ever have to do any forum moderation besides removing spam and old clutter, which I think says a lot about the kind of community this is.

I respect your concerns on how the project is run and suggestions for how to make it better.  But I think you could have chosen a better way to present them.  You spread a lot of blame and discontent toward specific people, which isn't very productive or consistent with one of your core messages about politeness.  

Regarding beta access, many people have expressed frustration over it, but the problem is that beta is intended for feature-testing and bug-fixing, with very large emphasis on the latter.  The motivation for making access to it so limited is because a smaller dedicated group of testers works better for documenting and fixing bugs, as otherwise it becomes incredibly tedious to manage.  A lot of users would be either turned-off or complain loudly at the presence of bugs in the beta version anyway.

MrNoOne wrote:

I have to agree with a few points a previous poster raised about this project and throw in my 50 pence.

Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky enough to be able to run and test the program while the rest of us dream and wait for the next beta. I doubt it is like that, but it certainly feels like so and why have us - let say 'regular' - users been left out of the beta testing this time? Its a beta not a full complete simulation - why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?

But that is not what annoys me mostly - 2 other things annoy me:

Firstly the utter lack of transparency regarding the projects progress.

This ridiculous 'Be ready when its ready' attitude is so juvenile and I have to fully agree with the previous poster it is a poor way to run a business - That's what SE needs to be to succeed. If the guys at Overview (cant remember the company name now?) but if they rang Vladimir and said 'When can we expect an update on the overview project?' and Vlad replied 'It will be ready when its ready!' the phone would have went dead and the $10000 dollars would have been down the drain! But that did not happen, and there would have been time frames and deadlines to work to - So again - why are we regular users given the childish 'ready when its ready' treatment??

I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!? SE is losing donations because of this attitude. There does not have to be a definite release, its Vlad's simulation he can do what he wants - but just say 'I hope for a release or update by October' and if October comes and Vlad says 'we need another 6 months - so I'm hoping for release in April' that's fine. Sure people will moan but IT KEEPS US INFORMED! You OWE that at least to all those who have donated their hard earned cash to your project.

Have I donated? I hear you ask - NO! Reason:

THE FORUMS!!

These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'

Firstly harbinger! lol oh dear harbingerofdawn!? mate just quit the forums guy seriously - you are utterly useless as forum moderator just stick to what your good at in regards to SE and that's making your YouTube streams, just stick to that - because no offense but your just the typical American - they harp on about freedom of speech yet they take everyone else freedoms of speech away.

Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.

Vladimir should assign a handful of moderators that have three basic moderating 'traits':

1. Polite - ALWAYS BE POLITE!! even after being asked the same questions over and over and over and over again! You can just template you're replies you know - i.e a 'Check the F&Q' or 'Lookup the troubleshooting list' templates with all the information and links. This takes 3 seconds to paste into a reply. POLITENESS = MORE DONATIONS. End of.

2. Helpful - Be helpful! Point posters to the F&Q's or relevant pages on the website - yes we are all lazy but also we are not all web designers and we have lives outside 'forums'! We don't always see what may be obvious to you moderators. (It took me a week to find the 'BLOG' everyone was on about.. it was under NEWS!) Point people to the donations like a 'Don't forget to donate!' template etc. ASSISTANCE = MORE DONATIONS.

3. RAISE MORE DONATIONS!. Firstly do the two obvious points above but instead of moaning and throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users, instead 'Engage' with them on their level. Agree with everything they say even if you disagree. It will help raise more donations. Think 'Customer Is Always Right' - Just think along those lines and the donations will roll in.

With them three points and completely NEW moderators (i.e people who can actually moderate) you will turn this forum into a nice, comfortable, pleasant place to be and express any concerns without being barked at like an SS commandant!

My personal finishing words are to Vlad: Just grow up a bit in terms of business guy!. Because when money is involved (Particularly in regards to donations) you need to have a positive and kind attitude - this sadly is very much lacking. There's being 'to the point' and there's being 'an a*sshole'! There is a difference. Be to the point - but be polite!

Remember:
Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting =  More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
Effective Moderators = More donations.

Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...

At the end of the day its money you need to take space engine to the next level and overview is just the beginning! If you want Space Engine to succeed as a game or simulation or whatever you will need to start getting your business head on and start thinking in what ways can i raise more funds and trust me Vlad the 'Ready when its ready' attitude will net you ZERO. So taking SE to that next level even if you have to effectively 'Sack' your entire moderating team.

With that all said - I do wish you good luck with the project.

Allen.R

This post makes little sense. The claims are baseless and the tone seems almost in jest. I just don't get what is being stated here. Moderators being Nazis? DocterofSpace is right, evidence please! Otherwise the only poisonous behavior here is false accusations. I too have seen what forums can be when poorly moderated and trust me, it's not pretty. This forum has been nothing but welcoming and helpful.

Space Engine is a indie game. Indie games do not have dead-lines, because they are made in the developer(s) spare time. Go to the dev site of any Indie game and you will see a distinct lack of dead-lines, and only the most vague of release dates, even from games that have an entire team behind them! Similar to this, mods also have no release dates because, surprise, they are made in the developers spare time. Obviously if Vladimir had 'people on the phone' for his game, he would have more of a strict schedule. He would have incentive, because generally developers like that get grants and investments. Quality and thoroughness will be sacrificed for speed of release. Any bugs thereafter would be dealt with in subsequent patches. And it seems like this is the principle problem here, people do not understand the developing process of a game, and the intricacies thereof.

It is sad that the principle source of discontent here on the forum is from entitled, ignorant people who hide their impatience and greed for instant gratification behind concern for a project made by one man, and blaming his friends for tardiness.

I will respect your opinion, but no further comment on this or the subject of release dates will be made from me.       

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.

That could be, but please check Forum rules <3

PS: ettore who? there are no moderators with that username.

MrNoOne wrote:

The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers' [...] throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users
[...]
Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting =  More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations

At the very least, you could do what you're asking of others. Name calling is not polite, not helpful, nor positive.

[...] if they rang Vladimir and said 'When can we expect an update on the overview project?' and Vlad replied 'It will be ready when its ready!' the phone would have went dead and the $10000 dollars would have been down the drain!
[...]
Have I donated? I hear you ask - NO!

So in short, for $0, you want the same treatment as someone who paid $10000?

SE is losing donations because of [...]

Even if true, so what? That's SpaceEngineer's choice... unless you think he is not smart enough to figure out the pros&cons of his choices on his own?

why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?

Closed beta are used to get rid of the most common bugs so that: 1) users don't see major bugs too often, 2) the developers don't get flooded with the same bug reports and spend a lot of time sifting through those reports instead of fixing those bugs. Only after the closed beta you get the open beta.

I don't post and but I am always checking the forums (I don't have auto sign in). I've noticed a lot of irritating comments making ridiculous demands. So much like how they are giving their two cents, I thought I might as well. This is probably a bit off topic from the thread.

[quote="MrNoOne"]Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky...
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I don't think it's like this, but even if it was, why is that an issue? If this "elite group" is chosen by the creator to test and only them, isn't that the creators decision? He's under no obligation to include you or others in this "elite group" if he chooses not to.
One point I want to make to add onto this is that this space engine project is evidently a passion project to which the creator wishes to take his time and do as correctly as possible. And to be perfectly honest, as much as I would like to assist in its development, it seems he's done so much work at this point that it would be a long process just to bring another developer up to speed.
Which brings me to this;
[quote="MrNoOne"]I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!?[/quote]
Perhaps the content by which you want to be informed about does not exist or is not in a state to show people. Regardless, refer to what I said about this being a passion project and having no obligation to you or others.

[quote="MrNoOne"]Polite - ALWAYS BE POLITE!![/quote]
There comes a point in time where things are reiterated so much that repetition can become a waste of peoples times. I'm sure mods have lives and do not wish to sound like a broken record. By volume of replies comes the inevitability of repetition.
Generally my own rule of thumb is, look at how many posts the person has and long they have been there, if it's 0 and just joined then patients is good. If it's not, then clearly another approach is required.

[quote="MrNoOne"]We don't always see what may be obvious to you moderators[/quote]
Refer to what I said before. Simply put, spoonfeeding is a waste of peoples time when the information is out there and you should all be adult enough to take responsibility for it.

[quote="MrNoOne"]RAISE MORE DONATIONS[/quote]
I honestly doubt many people other than yourself have not donated because of moderators. I Agree, that the long development cycle is probably turning some people away, but at this point once space engine is done and people want to start using it various things, donations won't matter. The only reason I stopped donating is I had already donated a lot over a period of 4 years (I had another account other than this that was deactivated).

[quote="MrNoOne"]bit in terms of business guy[/quote]
This is not a business, this is a forum for discussing spaceengine. If what you were referring to was the software that is spaceengine, it might be considered a project but not a business. I actually have no idea what "business" you are referring to. Moderators are not employees of any sort of business.

[quote="MrNoOne"]Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...[/quote]
Your passive aggressiveness here is blatant. Don't say you like someone whilst implying the complete opposite.

[quote="MrNoOne"]take space engine to the next level[/quote]
If the creator wanted to take it to "the next level", I think it would have happened by now. There is clearly a market for spaceengine and a lot of people have expressed their desire to even purchase it. Because it hasn't gone to that next level which implies to me that the creator wants to keep it as a passion project and not a source of income. The donations are simply there so that he can develop it without selling his rl assets.


I know patience is difficult these days with how everyone has some sort of consumer ad/hd, but this is not a project like star citizen where you give a pledge and except a product in return nor is it a company that is making promises about a game but taking is a long time (mount & blade). It simply is a Russian guy building something he wants and is choosing to share it with everyone else and you can show that you appreciate that by helping him.

Lastly, I am annoyed because of the lack of respect for Space Engineer and what he's made so far and what he continues to deliver on for free. That some of you cannot seem to understand why the development is the way it is. Go and build your own space engineer or see if a company will fund it to be out in 2 years and then see if it's what they promised or holds up to your expectations.
Thanks.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.

MrNoOne wrote:

Source of the post Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...

If you refer to me (I'm the only Ettore as far as I know), I'm not a moderator of the forums, I've never been. In fact, harbinger has also deleted some of my posts in the past :-D
I don't even have acces to the beta...

I'm just a person who respects the enormous work of SpaceEngineer and understands that this is not a commercial project, not yet, and thinks that no one has any right to tell vlad what to do, when to do, or how to do. The only thing to say is thankyou for the wonderful software he wrote and which he gaves to us completely free.

"These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers' "

Well probably this forum is not poisonus enough. i've been following this project for some time, and i've seen lately too many stupid people complaining about stupid things. it's clearly stated everywhere that there's no official relase date. they ask kindly to not ask for relase dates. yet someone writes always more intricated posts just to add in the end "HEY BTW, IS IT COMING SOON??" this is really obnoxious and frustrating.
Spaceengineer and the other guys are making an amazing (still FREE) software with basically their spare time, and some of you feel the need to throw s**t just because you can't be a little patient? it's just crazy.

Please, i love space engine, and i have tons of faith on it's team. take your time, some of us will patiently wait no matter what, because we know that every relase will worth the wait.

I think there has been enough said on this subject here for now.  Thanks everyone for your input, but this is quite off-topic.  If MrNoOne wishes to say any more he is free to do so (and I will be moving the discussion to a more suitable place than this thread, which is really for discussion and questions about version 0.9.9.0, not including its release).

the project could do with more frequent devblogs, though, surely. the changelog hasn't been updated since june and the todo list hasn't been since last year. maybe some more communication on those fronts will help people settle down a little more.

I've been using Space Engine since version 0.9.7.4 and have been looking forward to the 0.990 version. But I confess that my viewers to the Space Engine site are less and less frequent because of the little news I have seen about software development. Maybe many of us feel like I do, that the forum today seems more targeted to the few who test the 0.990 version. I'm not complaining just saying that the lack of information may be driving some people away from the site and forum.

Don't be so pessimistic These periods are normal for such projects and for exactly that reason we all should think about, how to [b]support SpaceEngineer/Vlad[/b] and not the other way around. We have a very skilled programmer here, who fulfills his beautiful dream of a virtual universe. We can help him to achieve this goal.

I know you would like to see bigger user & financial support, but even then it will take its time, because the amount of effort is technically determined. Creating a portable, high performance simulation with real-time interactive visualization on GPUs combines all the challenges in coding you can imagine. This is master art. A lot of science is involved there.
[b]The grass doesn't grow any faster if you pull on it.[/b]

SpaceEngineer dedicates his lifetime to this tough journey. I know it sounds pathetic, but there are dark paths, where we as a community should provide a peaceful place to rest and relax. And even if we are not so many people during the challenging times, the power of words from even a single person can heal the wounds. It is not about 'the release'.
[b]Please change the perspective!
[/b]
Of course, this project deserves more support. Spread the word, tell about the great project.
Posts with a subliminal 'I want this piece so badly' message do not help.