N0B0DY wrote:Macronicus wrote:Will 990 be free?
No. You will have to pay 990 SECs (Space Engine Credits)
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N0B0DY wrote:Macronicus wrote:Will 990 be free?
No. You will have to pay 990 SECs (Space Engine Credits)
N0B0DY wrote:Source of the post No. You will have to pay 990 SECs (Space Engine Credits)
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky enough to be able to run and test the program while the rest of us dream and wait for the next beta. I doubt it is like that, but it certainly feels like so and why have us - let say 'regular' - users been left out of the beta testing this time? Its a beta not a full complete simulation - why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post This ridiculous 'Be ready when its ready' attitude is so juvenile and I have to fully agree with the previous poster it is a poor way to run a business
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!? SE is losing donations because of this attitude.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post You OWE that at least to all those who have donated their hard earned cash to your project.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post You can just template you're replies you know - i.e a 'Check the F&Q' or 'Lookup the troubleshooting list' templates with all the information and links.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Firstly do the two obvious points above but instead of moaning and throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users, instead 'Engage' with them on their level. Agree with everything they say even if you disagree. It will help raise more donations. Think 'Customer Is Always Right' - Just think along those lines and the donations will roll in.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting = More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
Effective Moderators = More donations.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post So taking SE to that next level even if you have to effectively 'Sack' your entire moderating team.
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'
MrNoOne wrote:I have to agree with a few points a previous poster raised about this project and throw in my 50 pence.
Firstly i do feel there is a select few (though not so much as an 'elite' group) but a few 'selected' guys who have been lucky enough to be able to run and test the program while the rest of us dream and wait for the next beta. I doubt it is like that, but it certainly feels like so and why have us - let say 'regular' - users been left out of the beta testing this time? Its a beta not a full complete simulation - why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?
But that is not what annoys me mostly - 2 other things annoy me:
Firstly the utter lack of transparency regarding the projects progress.
This ridiculous 'Be ready when its ready' attitude is so juvenile and I have to fully agree with the previous poster it is a poor way to run a business - That's what SE needs to be to succeed. If the guys at Overview (cant remember the company name now?) but if they rang Vladimir and said 'When can we expect an update on the overview project?' and Vlad replied 'It will be ready when its ready!' the phone would have went dead and the $10000 dollars would have been down the drain! But that did not happen, and there would have been time frames and deadlines to work to - So again - why are we regular users given the childish 'ready when its ready' treatment??
I could not care less if it takes 2, 3 or even 4 years for the next beta - JUST KEEP US INFORMED!? SE is losing donations because of this attitude. There does not have to be a definite release, its Vlad's simulation he can do what he wants - but just say 'I hope for a release or update by October' and if October comes and Vlad says 'we need another 6 months - so I'm hoping for release in April' that's fine. Sure people will moan but IT KEEPS US INFORMED! You OWE that at least to all those who have donated their hard earned cash to your project.
Have I donated? I hear you ask - NO! Reason:
THE FORUMS!!
These forums are by far and away one of the most poisonous forums since.... well the Ubisoft forums i suppose!! lol. The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers'
Firstly harbinger! lol oh dear harbingerofdawn!? mate just quit the forums guyseriously - you are utterly useless as forum moderator just stick to what your good at in regards to SE and that's making your YouTube streams, just stick to that - because no offense but your just the typical American - they harp on about freedom of speech yet they take everyone else freedoms of speech away.
Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.
Vladimir should assign a handful of moderators that have three basic moderating 'traits':
1. Polite - ALWAYS BE POLITE!! even after being asked the same questions over and over and over and over again! You can just template you're replies you know - i.e a 'Check the F&Q' or 'Lookup the troubleshooting list' templates with all the information and links. This takes 3 seconds to paste into a reply. POLITENESS = MORE DONATIONS. End of.
2. Helpful - Be helpful! Point posters to the F&Q's or relevant pages on the website - yes we are all lazy but also we are not all web designers and we have lives outside 'forums'! We don't always see what may be obvious to you moderators. (It took me a week to find the 'BLOG' everyone was on about.. it was under NEWS!) Point people to the donations like a 'Don't forget to donate!' template etc. ASSISTANCE = MORE DONATIONS.
3. RAISE MORE DONATIONS!. Firstly do the two obvious points above but instead of moaning and throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users, instead 'Engage' with them on their level. Agree with everything they say even if you disagree. It will help raise more donations. Think 'Customer Is Always Right' - Just think along those lines and the donations will roll in.
With them three points and completely NEW moderators (i.e people who can actually moderate) you will turn this forum into a nice, comfortable, pleasant place to be and express any concerns without being barked at like an SS commandant!
My personal finishing words are to Vlad: Just grow up a bit in terms of business guy!. Because when money is involved (Particularly in regards to donations) you need to have a positive and kind attitude - this sadly is very much lacking. There's being 'to the point' and there's being 'an a*sshole'! There is a difference. Be to the point - but be polite!
Remember:
Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting = More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
Effective Moderators = More donations.
Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...
At the end of the day its money you need to take space engine to the next level and overview is just the beginning! If you want Space Engine to succeed as a game or simulation or whatever you will need to start getting your business head on and start thinking in what ways can i raise more funds and trust me Vlad the 'Ready when its ready' attitude will net you ZERO. So taking SE to that next level even if you have to effectively 'Sack' your entire moderating team.
With that all said - I do wish you good luck with the project.
Allen.R
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.
MrNoOne wrote:The moderators are arrogant, ignorant and utterly unhelpful 'Hitlers' [...] throwing your 'Nazi' orders at regular users
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Politeness = More Donations
Help & Assisting = More Donations
Kind positive forum = More Donations
[...] if they rang Vladimir and said 'When can we expect an update on the overview project?' and Vlad replied 'It will be ready when its ready!' the phone would have went dead and the $10000 dollars would have been down the drain!
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Have I donated? I hear you ask - NO!
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why the closed beta? We could all be contributing and error reporting by now and that's the whole POINT of beta testing is it not?
MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Same goes for ettore, mosfet - good guys and great mods that they made for 98 and looking forward to their mods for the next releases - BUT QUIT moderating guys! Your useless at it.MrNoOne wrote:Source of the post Moderators like HarbingerOfdawn, ettore, mosfet etc etc - they are LOSING you donations Vladimir! And i hate to say it, cos i like them guys but its true...