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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 07:19
by Zoppadoppa
In this new classification system, will ice worlds be differentiated on if they have sub glacial seas or not?

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 08:18
by SpaceEngineer
All ice worlds (except very tiny ones) have subglacial seas, even Pluto. It could be considered as a molten mantle - H2O is the most abundant substance in these worlds.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 08:55
by Spacer
maybe our solar system is just a coincidence? maybe there is ice worlds that are giant balls of ice in layers? or there is actually real science behind it that says all ice worlds would have subglacial seas?  :)

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 09:04
by HarbingerDawn
Spacer wrote:
Source of the post or there is actually real science behind it that says all ice worlds would have subglacial seas?

Any large ice world will likely have liquid water at some level of its interior due to internal heating.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 09:41
by SpaceEngineer
HarbingerDawn wrote:
Source of the post Any large ice world will likely have liquid water at some level of its interior due to internal heating.

And also dew to phase state of a salt water/ice and very high pressure.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 09:50
by Betelgeuze
I have question addon with new solar system browser binary. what about 2 moons with barycenter around parent barycenter binary planets will show 2 moons in the same cell?

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 11:43
by SpaceEngineer
Betelgeuze wrote:
Source of the post I have question addon with new solar system browser binary. what about 2 moons with barycenter around parent barycenter binary planets will show 2 moons in the same cell?

No, "binary" is a pair, by definition. Barycenter is generated for that pair only, possible outer moons revolved that barycenter does not displayed in the same table cell. Look on example with a binary gas giant in the blog post.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2017 16:31
by spaceguy
Honestly I've been wondering why almost no ice worlds similar to Enceladus don't have tectonic deformation visible at the surface. Any reason for this considering some Rocky worlds exhibit these deformations?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2017 02:46
by Solaris_
SpaceEngineer wrote:
All ice worlds (except very tiny ones) have subglacial seas, even Pluto. It could be considered as a molten mantle - H2O is the most abundant substance in these worlds.

Do these "bigger" ice worlds all similar to Europa?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2017 06:23
by JCandeias
Europa is kind of an extreme case, in the sense that its ocean is very close to the surface. Hence all the techtonic features at the surface, not much marred by impact craters (i.e., geologically young). Ice worlds in general have deeper oceans (i.e. thicker crusts), and as a consequence their surfaces look different, with a lot more craters. This, of course, can be changed by other features, such as a hefty atmosphere, be it permanent or transient.

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Posted: 26 Jul 2017 06:28
by pa1ner
Where can I download the update?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2017 06:33
by Mosfet
pa1ner wrote:
Where can I download the update?

Unfortunately 0.9.8.1 test versions are not publicly available.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2017 09:24
by SpaceEngineer
Idea about new info table (photoshop mokeup):

new into mokeup.png


Info table becomes a window, which is fully transparent (invisible) in normal mode, showing only text, but appears when user hover mouse cursor over it. It could have an expand/collapse buttons, to show more/less detailed description of a selected object, it also could have a close button (and a button on the left-size toolbar to bring it back). Or maybe it could behave like a second left-side toolbar, showing itself when mouse cursor is near the upper-left side of the screen; could be "pinned" to be always visible.

Very old idea - add a tiny switch button next to each measure unit, which will appear when user hover mouse cursor over it. Pressing on it will switch parsecs to light years, Kelvins to Celsius to Fahrenheit, and so on.

I also experimented with typing the planet class name on the Solar System browser, but found it too messy (too much text, visually overloaded).

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Posted: 27 Jul 2017 10:28
by spaceguy
SpaceEngineer wrote:
Idea about new info table (photoshop mokeup):

new into mokeup.png

Info table becomes a window, which is fully transparent (invisible) in normal mode, showing only text, but appears when user hover mouse cursor over it. It could have an expand/collapse buttons, to show more/less detailed description of a selected object, it also could have a close button (and a button on the left-size toolbar to bring it back). Or maybe it could behave like a second left-side toolbar, showing itself when mouse cursor is near the upper-left side of the screen; could be "pinned" to be always visible.

Very old idea - add a tiny switch button next to each measure unit, which will appear when user hover mouse cursor over it. Pressing on it will switch parsecs to light years, Kelvins to Celsius to Fahrenheit, and so on.

I also experimented with typing the planet class name on the Solar System browser, but found it too messy (too much text, visually overloaded).

Love the info table change and ideas, the cell descriptions not so much.

EDIT: Looking at it differently, the cell descriptions do look nice. Hope this makes it to 0.981. :)

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Posted: 27 Jul 2017 10:59
by FastFourierTransform
Just in case someone didn't noticed, SpaceEngineer is going to make his work in progress updates on the News section of the web. Here we will only discuss them.

He just released new info on what he's working on. And it's gorgeous: http://spaceengine.org/news/blog170724/