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How about 'Jovian' instead of 'Jupiter?'

17 Oct 2017 11:05

I was reading Blindsight recently and noticed that the term 'superJovian' was applied to a brown dwarf. Feels totally natural when I picture it in SE, plus it removes the awkwardness of using a planet name. Maybe Neptune-class could become 'Neptunian' to make things consistent, but Jovian seems strictly better than Jupiter.
 
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17 Oct 2017 13:44

It is not a noun, like terra and other classnames.
 
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17 Oct 2017 22:10

A different noun for Jupiter is Jove (Jupiter = father Jove).  The adjective in both cases is Jovian.
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How about 'Jovian' instead of 'Jupiter?'

18 Oct 2017 01:00

SpaceEngineer wrote:
It is not a noun, like terra and other classnames.


But isn't legibility more important than consistency? Jovian is easily recognizable and doesn't bother me as a English speaker (maybe because it ends with 'an'). I think almost any other native speaker would agree.

Also, superJovian and epistellar Jovian are official astronomical terms. Thefreedictionary.com goes so far as to call it a noun.
 
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18 Oct 2017 03:57

Adjectives and particles can be used as nouns, but why superjovian over superjove?
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18 Oct 2017 06:03

I've wondered why nobody has used "Jovia" as a noun form. It sounds a bit more complete than Jove.
 
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18 Oct 2017 06:59

Jovia sounds constructed and has connotation with "jovial" (so does jovian, in my opinion).
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How about 'Jovian' instead of 'Jupiter?'

18 Oct 2017 11:01

I am very surprised that people aren't supporting this. No one knows what Jove means (plus it sounds ridiculous), and Jovia... well, it isn't worse than Selena but it's still a bit hard to parse. Jovian is a common word, fits perfectly as a term meaning 'like Jupiter,' isn't awkward on the tongue at all and is being used to refer to Jupiter-like planets in real life.

@SpaceEngineer, since you want to keep terminology consistent, I will point out that gas giant classes are already completely different from solid classes - the latter are named directly after materials, but the former use proper names as (essentially) metaphors. If you're trying to connect them to Jupiter or Neptune, why balk at using adjectives?
 
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18 Oct 2017 11:38

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Source of the post why balk at using adjectives?

because it complicates things when translating to other languages
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18 Oct 2017 12:00

Yes, Jovian has no translation to Russian. It even cannot be transliterated. Russian astronomy uses word "jupiter" for Jupiter-like planets (it simply "gas giant", "planet-giant"), or adjective that is a direct analogy of "jupiter-like".
 
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18 Oct 2017 12:27

Mouthwash wrote:
Source of the post No one knows what Jove means

By Jove, what do you mean?

It's SpaceEngineer's privilege to pick these names, anyway. :)
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How about 'Jovian' instead of 'Jupiter?'

18 Oct 2017 14:46

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Yes, Jovian has no translation to Russian. It even cannot be transliterated. Russian astronomy uses word "jupiter" for Jupiter-like planets (it simply "gas giant", "planet-giant"), or adjective that is a direct analogy of "jupiter-like".


*Does* it need to be translated? It's not like you're using an official classification scheme here. Why not just pick the best word from each language?

Are you certain that every major language has direct translations for ferria and carbonia?
 
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21 Oct 2017 10:14

We don't really have to care about translation problem. We already have hundreds of words in SE that doesn't have direct translation in Asian languages.
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21 Oct 2017 19:53

I support "jovian" as a generic term for Jupiter-class objects. Either that or a return to "gas giant" and "ice giant" - I don't understand why the new system changed those names as they were easily understood. Using "Jupiter" as a classification for worlds similar to Jupiter might work fine in Russian, but it comes over a little goofy in English, so I can see Mouthwash's point here.
 
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How about 'Jovian' instead of 'Jupiter?'

22 Oct 2017 10:38

I for one am not a new fan of the new planetary class names. I think that adding the two new world types are awesome along with combining Oceania's and Ice Worlds and giving us oceanic compositions but I really dislike bunching Selena's, Deserts and Terra's into one class and the elimination of Titan class worlds. I'm also a fan of Gas Giant's and Ice Giants rather then Jupiter's and Neptune's. But this is just my opinion and I'm sure I could careless by the time the next version is released anyway.

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