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General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 08 Nov 2017 11:24
by gamadh
would it be possible in the space mechanism to exist the simulator mode and the arcade mode, the simulator with realistic physics that already exists in the current game and the arcade mode with fictitious physics like the physics of the rodina?

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 08 Nov 2017 12:40
by XBrain130
gamadh wrote:
would it be possible in the space mechanism to exist the simulator mode and the arcade mode, the simulator with realistic physics that already exists in the current game and the arcade mode with fictitious physics like the physics of the rodina?

What is "rodina"?

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 08 Nov 2017 13:37
by DoctorOfSpace

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 13 Nov 2017 15:43
by MaurĂ­cio Cruz
I don't know if have a post about this topic or point, but. What has alread been discussed about the units of speed thought of SE, when we move the camera on the universe, is appear a speed marker, but is it in differents units... And what about a universal marker on light-speed percentages, and this marker could be display the relativity light-speed, for example when is 100% we pass the universe like "a blinke of eye" and the time do the same...

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Posted: 13 Nov 2017 16:19
by XBrain130
MaurĂ­cio Cruz wrote:
I don't know if have a post about this topic or point, but. What has alread been discussed about the units of speed thought of SE, when we move the camera on the universe, is appear a speed marker, but is it in differents units... And what about a universal marker on light-speed percentages, and this marker could be display the relativity light-speed, for example when is 100% we pass the universe like "a blinke of eye" and the time do the same...

because it is not convenient for speeds many orders of magnitude above and below lightspeed?
In SE, camera speed per second goes from 10 centimeters to 100 megaparsecs. that's 0.0000000003 c and 10000000000 c respectively.

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Posted: 14 Nov 2017 10:12
by Mouthwash
There should be an epilepsy warning for people who mess with the timespeed. Even I feel like having a seizure after cranking it up to max on the surface of a planet.

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Posted: 14 Nov 2017 10:25
by XBrain130
Mouthwash wrote:
There should be an epilepsy warning for people who mess with the timespeed. Even I feel like having a seizure after cranking it up to max on the surface of a planet.

why are you even setting the max speed while on top of a planet

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Posted: 14 Nov 2017 11:10
by Mouthwash
XBrain130 wrote:
Mouthwash wrote:
There should be an epilepsy warning for people who mess with the timespeed. Even I feel like having a seizure after cranking it up to max on the surface of a planet.

why are you even setting the max speed while on top of a planet

Why not? What's a better use for it?

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Posted: 15 Nov 2017 10:21
by longname
Mouthwash wrote:
XBrain130 wrote:
Mouthwash wrote:
There should be an epilepsy warning for people who mess with the timespeed. Even I feel like having a seizure after cranking it up to max on the surface of a planet.

why are you even setting the max speed while on top of a planet

Why not? What's a better use for it?

Looking at the wobbles in orbits.

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Posted: 15 Nov 2017 10:32
by XBrain130
longname wrote:
Source of the post Looking at the wobbles in orbits.

we are talking about the speed of the camera, not the speed of time

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 15 Nov 2017 10:33
by Mouthwash
longname wrote:
Mouthwash wrote:
XBrain130 wrote:
why are you even setting the max speed while on top of a planet

Why not? What's a better use for it?

Looking at the wobbles in orbits.

Ye just don't know how to have fun.

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 15 Nov 2017 12:22
by Cesare
Yes, good point there. Stars in Space Engine does not look like real stars. They look more like odd shaped potatoes. Stars must look like real stars as they actually look like in the universe. For example, a real life photo of the Sun must look exactly the same in Space Engine. The same thing goes for all other stars, whatever their classification categories. They must look real. The same thing goes for gas giants, planets, moons, asteroids nebulas, star clusters and galaxies.

Please also consider on updating the overall graphics of space Engine to the highest resolution as possible and make planetary terrain look exactly as it does in real life when walking on the surface of terrestrial planets such as Earth, Mars or any other planet. Water on terrestrial planets is another thing to update. The graphics of water must be made realistic so that it resembles real life water and water must be moving with wavy waves due to wind effects.

Please update all the graphics of each and all the elements in Space Engine to the highest resolution as possible and make Space Engine much better than it actually is currently.

General suggestions for SpaceEngine

Posted: 15 Nov 2017 13:09
by XBrain130
Cesare wrote:
Yes, good point there. Stars in Space Engine does not look like real stars. They look more like odd shaped potatoes. Stars must look like real stars as they actually look like in the universe. For example, a real life photo of the Sun must look exactly the same in Space Engine. The same thing goes for all other stars, whatever their classification categories. They must look real. The same thing goes for gas giants, planets, moons, asteroids nebulas, star clusters and galaxies.

Please also consider on updating the overall graphics of space Engine to the highest resolution as possible and make planetary terrain look exactly as it does in real life when walking on the surface of terrestrial planets such as Earth, Mars or any other planet. Water on terrestrial planets is another thing to update. The graphics of water must be made realistic so that it resembles real life water and water must be moving with wavy waves due to wind effects.

Please update all the graphics of each and all the elements in Space Engine to the highest resolution as possible and make Space Engine much better than it actually is currently.

can y'all feel the stench of entitlement coming from that rant?

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Posted: 15 Nov 2017 13:11
by FastFourierTransform
The idea that things "must look real" is at the core of all the development of this program. Realism is the first law of SpaceEngine and everything that is far from realistic is due to a yet undiscovered (by Vladimir) algorithm that could handle the rendering of it in a matter of milliseconds (since the zero law of SpaceEngine is to have all the image rendered in real time).

Also, no one has the right to ask in this way things to a man that is accomplishing them alone and voluntarily. Even if you have donated some amount. This is a very hard project and we should make suggestions constructively: ask for somethign specifically, ask for something that hasn't been asked before or is well known since it appears in the TODO list, ask showing some idea as to how to make it or point out some software where that is been made, ask for whatever you want if you want but try to recognize at least for yourself all the hard work that has been done and is currently been eated by this project. No one has a debt with you is the point. And I don't say this because of this particular message but for the general attitude towards this community.
"Things must get done" is not a suggestion is an order. Please try to be less rude.


Now. What is that you see in stars that look so unrealistric to you right now?
Stars that look like bumpy potatoes are indeed an expression of SpaceEngine realism since red giants have usually that kind of morphology (as suggested by numerical simulations performed by actual scientists and as suggested by direct imaging). The fact is that those stars look like that in real life while we are all very confident in the contrary. No movie, no series, no documentary and no sci-fi painting that I have seen depicts giant stars with this accuracy.

And remember also that animage of the sun like this is not what you would see in space since those images are taken with ultraviolet light and not visible light like this one (wich coincidentaly is exactly how SpaceEngine depicts the Sun).

Cesare wrote:
Source of the post Please also consider on updating the overall graphics of space Engine to the highest resolution as possible and make planetary terrain look exactly as it does in real life when walking on the surface of terrestrial planets such as Earth, Mars or any other planet

Do you think that if that could be done someone (including the developer) would prefer to have it like it is now? Obviously increasing detail is a goal that is encased in the idea of making a realistic universe simulator. But there are physical and technical limitations as to what can be implemented in a personal computer nowadays and with rendering speed of milliseconds as I said before. You can't ask here for an identical-to-real simulator of each spot of terrain of each known planet as you can't ask that neither to NASA nor any modern supercomputer laboratory. You have a computer with limitations.

Even with that, level of detail is been increased in spectacular manner. You should read about it. The next release is going to be awesome in that sense.

Cesare wrote:
Source of the post Water on terrestrial planets is another thing to update.

This is a well known suggestion. It was on the TODO list even before anyone suggested it.

Cesare wrote:
Source of the post make Space Engine much better than it actually is currently

Here you have an example of an order. If you want to make a suggestion ask if it has been considered or show some ideas as how to make it if you are really expecting this to contribute. I think we all (the developer the first one) want Space Engine to become better. That is the only reason he's working on it.

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Posted: 15 Nov 2017 13:25
by Cesare
Does anyone know an approximate date when Space Engine will be complete?