Totally off-topic thread
Posted: 01 Nov 2019 13:02
midtskogen wrote:As I wrote, if fuel piles up, things get more sensitive. To most things, just make your pick.
Things are complicated but people want simple answers. That's also one reason why we still have religions. Ask someone religious for evidence of God, and he'll find it everywhere. Ask a climate alarmist for evidence of climate crisis, and he'll find it everywhere. Often the logical fallacy is a variant of affirming the consequent, because the complexity of the whole system is ignored.
The big difference being that there are scientific papers confirming this, there are no scientific papers about the existence of a "god." So that's a false equivalency. The IPCC goal of carbon net zero by 2050 is fine but in the meanwhile what do we do? I guessed you missed the interviews where it was discussed how the greed and excesses of previous generations led us to where we are now.
How about people in these fields get off their rear ends and figure out a way to stop these kinds of catastrophes from occurring? That would be a nice start. I dont care one bit about economy. As far as I am concerned, the rich should be taxed 100%. Multinational corporations should be taxed 100% if they aren't green or be forced out of business. They've done enough to ruin this planet. Capitalism is a dead end that only leads to oligarchy. We need a multinational government (not something powerless like the UN) that prevents things like fracking on public lands and the intentional burning of the Amazon. These are far too important to allow the nations they exist within to be allowed to control them. Global universal healthcare with price controls in place would also be a worthy goal. I am sick and tired of short term thinking "conservatives" seizing power, to have a global government that protects all the resources of the world is where we should be going. This global government would oversee all national governments and all multinational corporations to regulate them into not polluting and making sure they have a viable roadmap to going completely green. Anything less than that is not satisfactory.
You are right, activism doesn't bring about change quickly enough. Thats why we sue these companies and governments like Brazil into oblivion if they aren't following a sustainable path. We knew about the climate emergency from back in the 80s, but the greedy corporations like Exxon covered it up (going back to the 70s.) The people involved in these coverups should be jailed for the rest of their lives and the companies involved should be forcibly broken up. This applies to any corporation that pollutes our bodies and our environment and covers it up instead of cleaning it up. We've been nice for way too long, if they wreck the planet we need to destroy their lives by taking their freedom and money away from them. Redistribute the money towards worthy sustainable causes.
You're right, this is about much more than just climate. This is about restructuring all of human society into something much better, much healthier, much more sustainable and far less wasteful.