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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 05:00
by Watsisname
vlad01 wrote:
Source of the post Am I missing something but doesn't it need to be combined with a fuel to be explosive? My understanding is ammonia nitrate is just an oxidizer?

You're correct that it's not explosive on its own. But being a strong oxidizer that is explosive when mixed with fuels is precisely the problem. If it is not stored properly, and especially if it's subject to much heat in a confined space with other stuff around, it can easily result in an explosion, and many of the most destructive industrial accidents have happened for this reason. And it's really the same reasoning for why any chemical storage at an industrial site or a laboratory has such strict guidelines. It's not just in case a particular hazardous chemical leaks out, it's also to maintain their purity and stability, and to limit the possibilities of having things mix in ways that could go really bad.

This advisory by EPA, OSHA and ATF gives a good run-down on the handling of ammonium nitrate and prior accidents with it:
https://permanent.fdlp.gov/gpo45474/AN_advisory.pdf

Totally off-topic thread

Posted: 05 Aug 2020 11:08
by A-L-E-X
Watsisname wrote:
vlad01 wrote:
Source of the post Am I missing something but doesn't it need to be combined with a fuel to be explosive? My understanding is ammonia nitrate is just an oxidizer?

You're correct that it's not explosive on its own. But being a strong oxidizer that is explosive when mixed with fuels is precisely the problem. If it is not stored properly, and especially if it's subject to much heat in a confined space with other stuff around, it can easily result in an explosion, and many of the most destructive industrial accidents have happened for this reason. And it's really the same reasoning for why any chemical storage at an industrial site or a laboratory has such strict guidelines. It's not just in case a particular hazardous chemical leaks out, it's also to maintain their purity and stability, and to limit the possibilities of having things mix in ways that could go really bad.

This advisory by EPA, OSHA and ATF gives a good run-down on the handling of ammonium nitrate and prior accidents with it:
https://permanent.fdlp.gov/gpo45474/AN_advisory.pdf

It was *highly* irresponsible for them to store it like that for years....people who are calling for the people responsible for this calamity to resign are correct.  And this was the same fuel used in the Oklahoma City bombing, wasn't it, Wat?

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Posted: 05 Aug 2020 12:27
by midtskogen
It's popular with bombers, since you can be or pretend to be a farmer and buy lots of it.