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09 Aug 2017 22:18

DoctorOfSpace, yours as well!  That was a very interesting read.

A-L-E-X, it's a place where important government officials are evacuated in emergency, and also a preparation area for disaster situations.  Beyond that, who knows.  I don't really buy into conspiracies of that sort with shadow governments or alien cover-ups and whatnot though.  Call me agnostic. :)
 
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10 Aug 2017 01:35

I don't buy the alien cover up thing either, however with the surveillance state ongoing and all, nothing short of that surprises me with the government :P  Remember, Pres Eisenhower told us to be wary of the military-industrial complex in his last famous speech before he exited the political stage- he turned out to be correct.  We see a lot of cover ups in both the government and corporate arena when it comes to what's going on (and a war on whistleblowers when they expose it.)  In the case of corporations, it's in scientific research that proved climate change, cancer, environmental pollution, etc.; in the case of government it was mass surveillance and the erosion of liberties.

I heard Area 51 was moved to Utah a few years ago......the Plum Island research facility to Kansas.  Too much media attention in both cases I guess :P
 
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10 Aug 2017 04:45

Fun video from a hiking trip to the last public land with a view into Area 51.  Not that you really see anything besides desert countryside, a lot of warning signs, a few very distant buildings, and some alien themed paraphernalia. =P

 
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10 Aug 2017 05:10

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Fun video from a hiking trip to the last public land with a view into Area 51.


haha look at all those warning signs.  Wasn't that where they secretly brought in Nazi scientists (Project Paperclip?)
I've been reading up about all sorts of horrible things that were done post WW2.  I read that Area 51 was exempt from EPA regulations and all sorts of toxic stuff was being dumped there (might be another reason they moved it to Utah.)  Back in the 40s and 50s the gov't along with Bristol Squibb Myers pharmaceuticals and Johns Hopkins Hospital participated in the intentional infection of 774 Guatemalans with syphilis via infected needles- to test drugs on them.  A $1 billion lawsuit is ongoing.  Back in the 70s and 80s the CIA conducted a black project at Vermont State University Hospital where they were using mental patients as guinea pigs for torture drugs.  Only a few years ago (Gulf War) the military was knowingly giving their soldiers an antimalarial that had violent side effects (it took years for the FDA to get the guts to force the company to put a warning label on it.)  In Jacksonville, Florida a pesticide company was intentionally using an apartment building to test a new pesticide (and when children got sick it wouldn't reveal what got them sick- citing patent laws on an experimental drug- until their computers were "hacked"- fossil fuel industry gets away with the same kind of stuff when people get sick.)   Those are only 4 of the many projects I read about.
 
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10 Aug 2017 05:40

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Source of the post Fun video from a hiking trip to the last public land with a view into Area 51

Apart from high resolution images on Google Maps.
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PFFT.  Obviously only taken at times when they weren't doing anything interesting.  Or the spacecraft were edited out.
 
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10 Aug 2017 09:03

I don't remember I see UFO object but my father found a site French
which may be interesting on the subject : ufo-science.com

Otherwise, nice story/observation.

I hope we can have answers for this strange phenomena and extraterrestrial.
 
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I don't remember I see UFO object but my father found a site French
which may be interesting on the subject : ufo-science.com

Otherwise, nice story/observation.

I hope we can have answers for this strange phenomena and extraterrestrial.

I have a sneaking suspicion that some/most of my UFO sightings are actually meteors.  I am an avid meteor shower watcher and especially of the Perseids and Leonids (I saw the GREAT 2001 "storm") and I've seen many slow meteors that seem to change direction (sometimes doing a sharp 90 degree turn!) as they travel.
 
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10 Aug 2017 13:14

Bit of a late response

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Source of the post I am for the option that it is just from the military


I agree actually. Given the rapid advances in aircraft and drones over the past few decades and my proximity to airforce and naval bases when these sightings occurred it seems reasonable that its military.  

I find the notion of aliens visiting rather difficult to believe, so many other problems come up if that is the case, mostly on the propulsion side of things.

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10 Aug 2017 13:19

DoctorOfSpace wrote:
Bit of a late response

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Source of the post I am for the option that it is just from the military


I agree actually.  Given the rapid advances in aircraft and drones over the past few decades and my proximity to airforce and naval bases when these sightings occurred it seems reasonable that its military.  

I find the notion of aliens visiting rather difficult to believe, so many other problems come up if that is the case, mostly on the propulsion side of things.

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Haha- okay a question about propulsion, don't you think a much higher technologically evolved civilization that is just a few thousand years ahead of us would have mastered being able to travel very long distances through space?  A few thousand years is very short in terms of biological let alone geological evolution but could be huge in terms of technological evolution (just think of where we were just 200 years ago, let alone 2,000!  They could have mastered wormhole tech, alcubierre space drive and a lot more we haven't even dreamed of yet.  They likely know all about quantumm gravity and have achieved unification so who knows what kind of tech they could develop with that knowledge and having the ability to control the power of many suns.)
 
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10 Aug 2017 13:32

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Source of the post don't you think a much higher technologically evolved civilization that is just a few thousand years ahead of us would have mastered being able to travel very long distances through space?

Yes and no.  I think it is entirely possible they could use light-sails and nano-crafts with self replicating probes.  I don't think meat based or even augmented life will be traveling the stars, it requires too much energy and resources and takes far too long.  There are countless conspiracy websites that go into details on how the supposed saucers/cigars work with bending space, but when you check the numbers it doesn't make any sense. 

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Source of the post They could have mastered wormhole tech, alcubierre space drive and a lot more we haven't even dreamed of yet.

That may be true, but given current scientific understanding those things seem like they will forever be impossible.  They violate far too many laws of physics to make any practical sense.  If they are possible, they are hundreds or thousands of years beyond what humanity can do currently and any species with such tech wouldn't find Earth very interesting.
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10 Aug 2017 13:42

DoctorOfSpace wrote:
A-L-E-X wrote:
Source of the post don't you think a much higher technologically evolved civilization that is just a few thousand years ahead of us would have mastered being able to travel very long distances through space?

Yes and no.  I think it is entirely possible they could use light-sails and nano-crafts with self replicating probes.  I don't think meat based or even augmented life will be traveling the stars, it requires too much energy and resources and takes far too long.  There are countless conspiracy websites that go into details on how the supposed saucers/cigars work with bending space, but when you check the numbers it doesn't make any sense. 


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Source of the post They could have mastered wormhole tech, alcubierre space drive and a lot more we haven't even dreamed of yet.

That may be true, but given current scientific understanding those things seem like they will forever be impossible.  They violate far too many laws of physics to make any practical sense.  If they are possible, they are hundreds or thousands of years beyond what humanity can do currently and any species with such tech wouldn't find Earth very interesting.

I do think our "filters" will prevent us from getting to that point if it's that far into the future.  I think if we could do it in under 10,000 years it would be possible for us, but let's see if we make it even that long.  Long before then we might be handing the torch over to AI anyway ;-)
The numbers definitely don't make sense based on what we know right now, but maybe things will change as we learn more about the universe (and try to link up the physics of the very small with the very large.)  I agree though that even if we gain the knowledge, I doubt we will have the technology to harness the necessary energy for a very long time.  
Do you think if other sentience makes it here, it would also be AI?  That makes sense.  I'm not sure suspended animation would work very well to conserve energy for long trips for organic beings :P

What about an automated probe to Alpha Centauri?  Think that's doable inside 100 years, Doc?
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10 Aug 2017 13:43

I believe that if there is a highly developed civilization in our galaxy, which is one million years ahead of us, then they are here !
Even if it is only unmanned probes.
With a million-year ahead, they must have mapped the whole galaxy with 'Von Neumann probes', and they know all the planets with life and watch them.
Of course, as they are highly developed, they will adhere to the 'Prime Directive'. :|
 
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10 Aug 2017 13:45

A-L-E-X wrote:
Source of the post What about an automated probe to Alpha Centauri?  Think that's doable inside 100 years, Doc?

That fits under when I said light sails and nano crafts.  Humanity could probably build such things today, if the goal were to simply get to another star. 
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I believe that if there is a highly developed civilization in our galaxy, which is one million years ahead of us, then they are here !
Even if it is only unmanned probes.
With a million-year ahead, they must have mapped the whole galaxy with 'Von Neumann probes', and they know all the planets with life and watch them.
Of course, as they are highly developed, they will adhere to the 'Prime Directive'. :|

Too bad we didn't adhere to the Prime Directive when we mess with countries in the developing world.  I am a big believer in the Prime Directive on all sorts of levels :-)

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